Facebook-owned Whatsapp being down is a reminder that you and your friends should probably be using a more private, non-profit alternative like @Signalapp anyway (or another open-source app of your choice).

It's just as free, and takes like 30 seconds to switch.

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@snowden Switching yourself, sure. Convincing your entire social circle to switch, that's the hard part. (Good thing that my social circle is null, for once)


#Signal, #Telegram, #Threema etc. have a similar problem. With a few strokes one can switch off the entire net. We need (more) decentralized networks like Jabber/XMPP, Fediverse.

@Feuerwaechter @snowden I'ld use #Matrix quite more, but have great difficulties with the key management!


Yes, beside the lack of public servers, the key management is the reason why I had never recommended it to non IT interested people. "Normal" people will be lost.

I would like to see #XMPP resp. the clients adating more of the concept of #Threema, e.g. (at least small) local groups and local contacts. It would be an enormous progress in privacy.



Snikket is built around the idea of small servers for small groups (and it's XMPP). Is that the kind of thing you mean?
@juengling @snowden


No, as far as I see (I don't use it). We don't need another independent network.

I'm thinking to add more features to the clients. Contacts should be saved locally. Synchronizing the (own) contacts could be optional, in any case without knowledge of the contents to the servers.

The need in trusting server admins should be minimized. It will protect the admins and increase the privacy for all.

@juengling @snowden


Think about e-mail to multipes recipients. Instead of adding multiple recipient addresses one can create a list with addresses and send the mail to the list. Let's call it pseudo group. The mail client will send the e-mail to every member of the group, the server doesn't know the existence of the pseudo group, even the recipiennts can stay uninformed. The group exists only locally. For smaller groups like familiy, classrooms it's sufficient.
@juengling @snowden

@juengling @Feuerwaechter @snowden

key management is actually pretty easy once you get it.

the only thing you basically have to do is, scan a QR code after you log in


You mean adding a new contact? That‘s now easy with the QR-code. But a lot of people don‘t get it to cross sign and save the keys for the rooms.

@juengling @snowden

@KitKat @Feuerwaechter @snowden It's easy to add a new contact. But then, after a while, old messages vanish (cannot be decrypted anymore). That's a bit too secure IMHO 🙂

@juengling @Feuerwaechter @snowden

without that encryption keys are only shared on a need to know basis between devices (which can imply lost keys depending on your behavior) - though I am not entirely sure

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